Cein ap Doli (abt. 205)

Born about 0205 in Roman Brittania

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Descendants

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Biography

Cein ap Doli, born about the year 205 of the Common Era, is known only through the genealogies passed down by Welsh bards and ultimately recorded by Bartrum and harmonized by Wolcott. The line of descent of which this person is a part appears below:^[1]

1. Beli Mawr (130 BCE) ^[2]
2. Afleth (100 BCE) ap Beli Mawr
3. Afallach (70 BCE) ap Affleth ^[3]
4. Owain (40 BCE) ap Afallach
5. Bryddgwyn (10BCE) ap Owain
6. Dubun (20) ap Bryddgwyn
7. Onwedd (50) ap Durbun
8. Anwerydd (80) ap Onwedd
9. Amgolydd (110) ap Anwerydd
10. Dwfyn (140) ap Amgolydd
11. Doli (170) ap Dwfyn
12. Cein (205) ap Doli
13. Gwyndog (235) ap Cein
14. Iago (265) ap Gwyndog
15. Tegid (295) ap Iago)
16. Padern Beisrudd (325) ap Tegid
17. Edern (355) ap Padern Beisrudd
18. Cunedda Wledig (385) ap Edern
19. Einion Yrth (415) ap Cunedda Wledig
20. Cadwallon Lawhir (450) ap Einion Yrth
21. Maelgwyn Gwynedd (480) ap Cadwallon Lawhir
22. Rhun (505) ap Maelgwyn Gwynedd
23. Beli (540) ap Rhun

Wolcott notes that "it would appear the purpose of this pedigree was to show that Owain ap Hywel, at whose direction the entire manuscript was drafted, was descended from the ancient Royal Family of Gwynedd.

Research Notes

Work in Progress

Note: Work in progress. All duplicates are unmerged matches pending discussion about this family; the unmerged matches of this person can all be found on Gwrgan ap Doli (abt.0235-) Østenstad-1 17:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Pedigree of Pugh by of Mathavarn

He appears in a pedigree of Pughe, of Mathavarn, in Cyveilog, reaching back to biblical Adam, presented by Lewys Dwnn. The pedigree illustrates the fondness of the Welsh for pedigrees as well as the difficulty of determining at what point the pedigree moves from history to legend. ^[4]

The pedigree also appears in a work by the Powys-land Club.^[5]

The complete pedigree is presented and discussed at Space: John Pughe's Descent from Adam

Harleian MS 3859

Darrel Wolcott has analyzed Harleian Manuscript 3859, which contains over 30 pedigrees or parts of pedigrees, in his Ancient Wales Studies. ^[1] The first pedigree, for Gwynedd, contains the pedigree from Beli Mawr to Owain ap Hywel Dda. Wolcott's review indicates that (1) some connecting words in the list have been interpreted by later writers as persons, and (2) even with these persons removed, a chronology in which each generation is 30 years before the succeeding one indicates that two different Beli's in the 6th century have been confused. The portion of the pedigree from Beli ap Rhun to Beli Mawr, reflecting Wolcott's analysis, is presented below. While in the manuscript the pedigree is presented in ascending order, it is shown here in descending order, with the most ancient person first.

1. Beli Mawr (130 BCE) (BCE, No profile on WikiTree) See Space:Beli_Mawr
2. Affleth (100 BCE) ap Beli Mawr (BCE, No profile on WikiTree) See Space:Beli_Mawr
3. Afallach (70BCE) ap Affleth (BCE, No profile on WikiTree) See Space:Beli_Mawr However, see Avallach ben Lud
4. Owain (40 BCE) ap Afallach (BCE, No profile on WikiTree) However, see Owain Avallach, b. 50. Pending merges with Eugein Aballac (abt 122) (Aballac-1) and Eugein Aballac (abt 122 (Aballac-1).
5. Bryddgrwyn (10 BCE) ap Owain (BCE, No profile on WikiTree) However, see Brydchain Owain, b. 75. Merge with Eugein-2.
6. Dufbun (20) ap Bryddrwyn Dubwyn ap Prydein (ap Prydein-1) b 20. Duwg Brychwain born about 100., Also [[ap Brychwain-1|Dubun ap Brychvain, b. 100.
7. Onwedds (50) ap Dubun
8. Anwerydd (80) ap Onwedd
9. [[ap Angueritt-1|Amgolydd (110) ap Anwerydd Also +3
10. Dwfn (140) ap Amgolydd +2 See ap Gurdumn-3
11. Doli (170) ap Dwfn +2.
    1. See Gwrddyfn. b. abt 1085. Contains other unmerged matches.
    2. See [ap Dwfn-1|Gwrddoli ap Dwfn]] born 195. contains other unmerged matches.
    3. See Doli ap Gwrddoli born abt 210, and other unmerged matches.
    4. See Gwergan ap Doli, born 235. and other unmerged matches
12. Cein (205) ap Doli (ap Doli-4) +2. See ap Guorcewin-1|Cein ap Guorcein, born 260.
13. Gwyndog or Genedog ap Cein (ap Cein-4), born 235 (Wolcott) or 225. +2. Duplicates: + ap Doli-4, + Doli-1, + ap gwrddofn-1; + unknown-130440, + ap Doli-2, + ap Doli-3. + Unmerged matches.
14. Iago (265) ap Gwyndog
15. Tegid (295) ap Iago ap Gwyndog +Ceino-1 (314) m. Uther Constantinus (Constantinus-4) from Yugoslavia...See Tacitus ap Cein b. 314
16. Padern Beisrudd (325) ap Tegid +Tegid-9 (350)
17. Edern (355) ap Padern Beisrudd +Padern-1 (364)_ Aetern, b. 364
18. Cunedda Wledig (385) ap Edern. Real Person ap Edern-1 + Edyrn-1
19. Cadwallon Lawhir (450) ap Einion Urdd
20. (Added person, not in pedigree: Einion Yth Cunella, b. 417)
21. Maelgwn Gwynedd (480) ap Cadwallon Lawhir. Maelgwn ap Hir Cadwallon, b. 475
22. Rhun (505) ap Maelgwn Gwynedd; Rhun Hir Maelgwn. 492-586 Gwynedds
23. Beli (540) ap Rhun (Rhun-24). born 517

Sources

1. ↑ ^{1.0 1.1} Darrell Wolcott. Ancient Wales Studies. accessed 4 Apr 2021Harleian MS 3859 Bartrum has recorded these genealogies with a stated purpose of reporting them intact, and not attempting to harmonize them. Darrell Wolcott in his report on Harleian MS 3859 has attempted a harmonization of these genealogies which not only corrects inconsistencies in names, but assigns an estimated birth year. While Wolcott's work is not adequate for establishing the existence of these ancient rulers as real people, it is superior to anything that might be found on popular genealogies. Accessed 25 February 2023 jhd
2. ↑ Wolcott notes, "We did not include the final part of the pedigree which claims the wife of Beli Mawr was Anna, mother of the Virgin Mary. While such a claim may have been a part of tenth century lore and served to show the ancient ancestors were "civilized Christians", the chronology is wrong by at least a century. It is further unlikely a lady of Palestine, born c. 35 BC, would have married anyone on the Isle of Britain. Most likely, however, is that the statement was a copyist's gloss added long after the pedigree was first composed.
3. ↑ Wolcott notes, "both the chronology and the name "Afflewth" (the spelling is Amalech in other manuswcripts) suggest this was Lludd, the brother of Cassivellaunus and father of Tasclovanus mentioned by Roman historians in Julius Caesar's invasrion of Britain in 55 BCE.
4. ↑ Lewys Dwnn. "Montgomeryshire Pedigrees: Heraldic Visitations of Wales and part of the Marches Pughe, of Mathavarn, in Cyveilog, to Adam page 205. Accessed 25 March 2020 jhd
5. ↑ John Rhydderch. Pedigreees of Montgomeryshire Families selected about the yeare 1711-12 from Lewis Dwnn's Original Visitation. London: Powysland Club, 1888. The Pedigree of Phghe of Mathavarn, in Cyveilog, to Adam. Pages 68-74. Archive.org. Accessed 27 March 2020 jhd